tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9409160.post9207735029626220197..comments2024-02-19T07:06:52.139-05:00Comments on Twilight Language: Dendermonde JokerLoren Colemanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10705306131201565523noreply@blogger.comBlogger31125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9409160.post-46211725114653518532013-05-14T10:58:15.924-04:002013-05-14T10:58:15.924-04:00This comment has been removed by the author.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16990289154211508097noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9409160.post-72155333009933680742013-05-14T10:56:40.274-04:002013-05-14T10:56:40.274-04:00This comment has been removed by the author.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16990289154211508097noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9409160.post-52194133506943238802009-03-13T15:32:00.000-04:002009-03-13T15:32:00.000-04:00Administrative note: A minority of potential comm...<B>Administrative note:</B> A minority of potential comment makers (not the ones seen here) are upset because they wish for me to reply to them privately. What you apparently do not realize is the email addresses of the authors of comment submissions are not revealed to me via www.blogger.com, and full email addresses in comments are not published. If you wish to directly email me, try filling out the contact form <A HREF="http://www.lorencoleman.com/contact.html" REL="nofollow">here</A>. Personal emails sent through the comment section are not appreciated, as they cannot be edited and must be deleted, out-of-hand. Thank you.Loren Colemanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10705306131201565523noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9409160.post-29918642550139009362009-03-09T18:38:00.000-04:002009-03-09T18:38:00.000-04:00The quote from the eyewitness that jounralists use...The quote from the eyewitness that jounralists used was "face painted like `A' joker" not "the" Joker. The witness could have easily been saying that the guy looked like a joker from a pack of cards- you know centuries old character in all standard decks plus the tarot and just as recognisable to to many people as a character from a film. De Gelder had red hair, in the artists rendition he looks no more like `The Joker' as he does any other goth or clown character. There is, as yet, no evidence of `the copycat' effect and all such reportage is merely speculation and heresay.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9409160.post-34659183741215164512009-02-07T19:11:00.000-05:002009-02-07T19:11:00.000-05:00Thuth, Dender does not mean rumble in Dutch. The w...Thuth, Dender does not mean rumble in Dutch. The word that means rumble in Dutch is donder<BR/><BR/>LienAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9409160.post-38319263492335219892009-01-30T23:44:00.000-05:002009-01-30T23:44:00.000-05:00Here's a personal synch - Dender is the equivalant...Here's a personal synch - <BR/><BR/>Dender is the equivalant of a rumbling sound. It means rumble according to internet translators (I don't speak dutch). My wife and I watched West Side Story on TV yesterday and the sharks and the jets kept saying, Let's have a rumble. Let's have an all out rumble. Meaning a big fight. <BR/><BR/>The rumbling earth or a big rumble between the forces of good and evil at the end of the Mayan/Vedic cycle?<BR/><BR/>Or nothing. We'll certainly find out.<BR/><BR/>ThuthThuthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07322523524313691725noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9409160.post-55381925482282107182009-01-30T23:31:00.000-05:002009-01-30T23:31:00.000-05:00We're at three deaths that have evoked the symbol ...We're at three deaths that have evoked the symbol of the Joker in the collective consciousness. <BR/><BR/>How many does it take until there's a pattern or a connection? Four? Five? Six? Two? One?<BR/><BR/>Everyone defines it for themselves, within the confines of their own belief systems.<BR/><BR/>It seems like that solicitor, and the anonymous commenter are working pretty hard to define it for us - or for themselves, and we're getting in the way. ;)<BR/><BR/>But again, that's those zany belief systems acting up again. <BR/><BR/>Loren, please continue posting these as this feels like a dark twisting of our reality, indeed.<BR/><BR/>Thank you, and all, for your work.<BR/><BR/>ThuthThuthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07322523524313691725noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9409160.post-1317232465774194972009-01-30T07:37:00.000-05:002009-01-30T07:37:00.000-05:00The connection is'tn "real", as if it is some kind...The connection is'tn "real", as if it is some kind of direct order. The connection is symbolic. You know you can dream about rescue boeis saving your house from getting under water during a flood but that does not mean they will in reality. All those "role models" that some schizophrenia sufferrs stage in their delusions have a highly symbolic and sometimes surreal value.CosmicDhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04774776625439114258noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9409160.post-9174459348771433512009-01-30T01:47:00.000-05:002009-01-30T01:47:00.000-05:00Hmm...the so-called copycat didn't really look lik...Hmm...the so-called copycat didn't really look like the joker... why do people think "the Joker made me do it" is actually a reason for some tragedies?<BR/><BR/>It's sort of like the people who think "the Joker (character) killed Heath Ledger." <BR/><BR/>What if there is no connection, would that be worse than if the murderer was following in the character's twisted footsteps?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9409160.post-23877398097917314282009-01-29T06:34:00.000-05:002009-01-29T06:34:00.000-05:00RE Gelder = LedgerA Knight`s Tale (2001)Heath Ledg...RE Gelder = Ledger<BR/><BR/>A Knight`s Tale (2001)<BR/><B>Heath Ledger:</B> Sir William Thatcher | Sir Ulrich von Lichtenstein of <B>Gelderland</B><BR/><BR/>If he is truly a Ledger fanatic...<BR/><BR/><BR/>Very sad circumstance, regardless of the motivation.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9409160.post-15140215184026653272009-01-28T18:35:00.000-05:002009-01-28T18:35:00.000-05:00I understand he has schizophrenia. In that case: h...I understand he has schizophrenia. <BR/><BR/>In that case: hemight - in a psycnotic state - have seen the joker as a role model, possibly one that could aid him in correcting or avenging certain thins of his past. What that is I don't know but I know the behavioural patern of people with schizophrenia. These "stories" that have to be played out are often a very twisted form of fantasy and partial reality (from experiences) slapped together in wild associations.<BR/><BR/>Paitents often let figures (real or imaginary) play important roles (passive or agressive,that depends on the personality of the person). <BR/><BR/>Also in my oppinion, the bullet proof jacket was merely a phantasm of association to enhance his ego. I'm almost sure he was "directed to wear this". In a psychosis there's often lack of perception of consequences.<BR/><BR/>Often schizophrenia sufferes cast "ego elements" and put themselves upon a pedestal in the psychotic story. They have to play out: they are a key figure.<BR/><BR/>You're not gonna get the real story out of him directly cause if he's schizophrenic, he really DOESN'T remember. <BR/><BR/>He needs to talk freely and things have to be rememebered from his past by others. Then, peers and people close to him will discover that he'd always has a schtick of some sort for repeating the same elements over and over.<BR/><BR/>Hope this helps.CosmicDhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04774776625439114258noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9409160.post-31150796638762027112009-01-28T08:47:00.000-05:002009-01-28T08:47:00.000-05:00@Loren Coleman:The source is pretty much every dut...@Loren Coleman:<BR/><BR/>The source is pretty much every dutch newspaper there is. I translated the article from the newspaper 'het nieuwsblad'.<BR/>The whole Joker thing got blown way out of proportion by the media. The only 'clue' they had, was that he had a white painted face according to some witnesses. But now they confirmed that's not true. There never were any real clues, only rumours and now they turn out to be false. The killer was not inspired by the movie, nor by Heath Ledger. I've been following this case from day one and I hate the fact that they connected it to The Dark Knight. It has nothing to do with it.<BR/>LienAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9409160.post-37566729348070448932009-01-27T18:22:00.000-05:002009-01-27T18:22:00.000-05:00Source, please?Solicitor on which side?That the po...Source, please?<BR/><BR/>Solicitor on which side?<BR/><BR/>That the police "didn’t find any clue that the Batman movie inspired him" merely tells us that the clues they were looking for were not visible to them, if true? And that all others that were presented before are now being ignored?<BR/><BR/>This case seems to be getting, well, a whitewash now.Loren Colemanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10705306131201565523noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9409160.post-79728390423615269532009-01-27T17:47:00.000-05:002009-01-27T17:47:00.000-05:00NO CONNECTION WITH THE JOKER "We’re not seeing any...NO CONNECTION WITH THE JOKER <BR/><BR/>"We’re not seeing any resemblance in this case with The Joker from the latest batman movie.” The solicitor ended all the speculations about resemblances between the killings in Dendermonde and the Batman movie The Dark Knight. The main resemblance would have been the white painted face from the killer, just like The Joker. But now it became clear that the killer didn’t paint his face, but that he just has a very pale skin. They did find make-up in his backpack, but it wasn’t white. He only carried black eye-liner with him. They searched the guy’s house and didn’t find any clue that the Batman movie inspired him to do the gruesome thing he did.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9409160.post-84847448375185516172009-01-26T18:53:00.000-05:002009-01-26T18:53:00.000-05:00Hope he doesn't overact like Heath Ledger.Hope he doesn't overact like Heath Ledger.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9409160.post-11967756715167106182009-01-26T15:27:00.000-05:002009-01-26T15:27:00.000-05:00The most common use of "creche" in US English is t...The most common use of "creche" in US English is to refer not to an infant day care center, but to the Nativity scene of the baby Jesus. Thus tying into the St. Nicholas connection.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9409160.post-38542758209454691972009-01-26T14:11:00.000-05:002009-01-26T14:11:00.000-05:00Belgium is a hotbead of "Gladio"-type NWO activity...Belgium is a hotbead of "Gladio"-type NWO activity and has been for many decades. It was the sight of the Brabant supermarket massacre of the '70s, the murderous Dutroux pedophile ring of the '80s, and more recently the home of Antwerp street rampager Hans van Themsche. All mysterious affairs that have never been fully investigated. <BR/><BR/>Watch for Belgium to follow England into an anti-knife and -violence crusade which will only result in more control of the population by the gub'mint.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9409160.post-29312950584599114942009-01-26T12:23:00.000-05:002009-01-26T12:23:00.000-05:00The Odin/Nicholas connection is very interesting i...The Odin/Nicholas connection is very interesting in light of the 'Santa Claus' shootings in Covina. <BR/><BR/>Odin also connects to the various Ring cycles, and thus to Grail and Dragon lore- the realm of the goddess.<BR/><BR/>Call me a one-trick pony; but I sense the Divine Feminine at work here. (Or the Feminine Daimonic.) <BR/><BR/>Notice how androgynous this Joker is?<BR/><BR/><BR/><BR/><BR/>ATB,<BR/>BenBen Fairhallhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10945833725845993569noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9409160.post-57804634426166870742009-01-26T05:32:00.000-05:002009-01-26T05:32:00.000-05:00Just for the record, the town name "Dendermonde" i...Just for the record, the town name "Dendermonde" is derived from the Dutch for "where the river Dender joins (the river Schelde)", not from "thunder etc."Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9409160.post-76516108306789072632009-01-26T05:20:00.000-05:002009-01-26T05:20:00.000-05:00More appreciation to various individuals sharing t...More appreciation to various individuals sharing their own detective work regarding the translations and onomatological insights regarding the human names and location names involved here.<BR/><BR/>I must caution, once again, however, that it is stopping short to merely say someone's family name is based upon or named after a location.<BR/><BR/>In other words, to feel that an understanding of the onomatology is achieved by saying that "de Gelder" means someone from Gelderland, or "Dendermonde" is due to being tied to the Dender River, does not take this exercise to its completion.<BR/><BR/>To examine the etymology of the names involved, some investigation of what each root word means must be undertaken.<BR/><BR/>Thank you all.Loren Colemanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10705306131201565523noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9409160.post-76571054713560176152009-01-26T04:49:00.000-05:002009-01-26T04:49:00.000-05:00He choosed and planned his own dead by hungerstrik...He choosed and planned his own dead by hungerstrike until spring...<BR/>...67 days...also a copy of ???<BR/><BR/>The law (and médics) is feeding him now against his will...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9409160.post-62776209303084404972009-01-26T04:38:00.000-05:002009-01-26T04:38:00.000-05:00Anonymous, that is honestly creepy. Thanks for po...Anonymous, that is honestly creepy. Thanks for pointing that out. <BR/><BR/>I wonder if De Gelder had made the same connection (assuming of course that his rampage was connected to the Ledger 'Joker' character) in his own mind?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9409160.post-34281446481446770992009-01-26T04:07:00.000-05:002009-01-26T04:07:00.000-05:00This is a really creepy story!And yes : gelder = l...This is a really creepy story!<BR/><BR/>And yes : gelder = ledger It gets even creepier...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9409160.post-80201363076305074522009-01-26T03:04:00.000-05:002009-01-26T03:04:00.000-05:00According to several internet sources, the name of...According to several internet sources, the name of the river Dender is derived from "Tanara" (probably a Celtic word) meaning "agitated water" (in Dutch: "woelend water") or "the bubbling one" (in Dutch: "de bruisende").<BR/><BR/>Relating "Dender" to the Dutch word for thunder ("donder") is folk etymology probably. <BR/><BR/>As for "de Gelder", I agree with the last point of Ivo Waterlaken. It seems to me that this surname (probably assumed by an ancestor of his sometime in the 17th c. or thereabouts) refers to someone who was from Gelderland. It essentially means "the Gelder". Someone from Gelderland could have been referred to as "a Gelder" or "the Gelder" in the same way that someone from Holland could have been called "the Hollander". "Gelre, "Gelder" etc. were old names for the province of Gelderland, this name having its own origins.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9409160.post-20816082500893103952009-01-25T21:41:00.000-05:002009-01-25T21:41:00.000-05:00gelder = ledgergelder = ledgerAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com