Survived A Mass Shooting, Killed At Another

It is like a bad script from a horror movie. You find yourself at a mass shooting, survive that tragic event, and then die in another one.

Sounds like urban folklore. But it has happened. And it has occurred again. Recently.

Telemachus Orfanos, 27, was a Navy veteran who survived the Las Vegas massacre on October 1, 2017. But then he was shot and died on November 7, 2018. After Orfanos was killed in the Thousand Oaks' Borderline Bar and Grill massacre, his mother demanded actions, not words.

"I don't want prayers. I don't want thoughts. I want gun control," Susan Orfanos said. "I hope to God nobody else sends me any more prayers. I want gun control."

On June 2, 2012, one person was killed and seven others injured in a shooting at the Eaton Centre in Toronto. That was at a food court. One of the witnesses Jessica Ghawi (a/k/a Jessica Redfield) was a sports writer. She experienced a “feeling” and left the food court at the Eaton Center right before the shootings.

Redfield/Ghawi wrote three days after the Toronto shooting:

I can’t get this odd feeling out of my chest. This empty, almost sickening feeling won’t go away. I noticed this feeling when I was in the Eaton Center in Toronto just seconds before someone opened fire in the food court. An odd feeling which led me to go outside and unknowingly out of harm‘s way. It’s hard for me to wrap my mind around how a weird feeling saved me from being in the middle of a deadly shooting. Source.

She wrote: "My receipt shows my purchase was made at 6:20 pm....The gunshots rung out at 6:23. Had I not gone outside, I would’ve been in the midst of gunfire."

Jessica Ghawi was later killed in the Aurora Colorado shooting, during The Dark Knight Rises screening, on July 20, 2012.

Back to the Las Vegas shooting of 2017....where 22,000 people in the crowd did survive.

There has been a good deal of "conspiracy theories" about this shooting, and some of it has involved the death of survivors. A good deal of this has been greatly exaggerated, however.

One factual story is of  Dennis and Lorraine Carver (pictured above).

Lorraine Carver allegedly wrote on social media that her husband protected her from “shooters.” According to their daughter, Brooke Carver, the two were line-dancing to Jason Aldean just moments prior to realizing that someone was shooting into the crowd
But then, Carver and her husband Dennis were killed on October 16, 2017 in a car accident near their home in Murrieta, California, when their car veered off a curve in a road and catching fire. Investigators say that the Las Vegas shooting survivors somehow crashed their vehicle into a metal gate at 10:50 p.m. The gate reportedly separated the Carvers’ community from the outside world, and the fire spawned by the crash was so hot and virulent that it took the Riverside County Fire Department nearly an hour to get it under control. Both were pronounced dead at the scene.

Survivor Kymberley Suchomel died in her sleep of reportedly natural causes just a week after the shooting. She was 28-years-old and had publicly claimed to have witnessed multiple shooters at the Route 91 concert before her death.

Danny Contreras, another survivor of the Las Vegas mass shooting who described multiple shooters was also found dead earlier this week. As YourNewsWire reports, the 35-year-old took to social media days after the Route 91 shooting to tell a tale of multiple shooters at the venue. He was reportedly found shot multiple times and deceased in a vacant Las Vegas area home on October 28, after having tweeted out his claims of two shooters just days after surviving the Las Vegas mass shooting. His tweet was retweeted hundreds of times.

Meanwhile, Snopes is skeptical. The Snopes site called some of it misinformation in "Did Seven ‘Key Witnesses’ to Las Vegas Shooting Die Under ‘Suspicious Circumstances’?"

Las Vegas survivor deaths = misinformation?

Whatever is occurring, it does appear that some "survivors" feel "star-crossed."

Thousand Oaks Shooting

At about 11:20 pm Pacific, Wednesday, November 7, 2018, a trench coat-wearing individual began shooting at dancers in the Borderline Bar and Grill. The establishment is located at 99 Rolling Oaks Drive, Thousand Oaks, California (well-known as the setting for many Hollywood movies). Borderline is a country and western music bar, and it was "college night." And "singles night." (Was this an "incel" target?)

The white male suspect was said to be dressed in a dark sunglasses, a black coat, and a beard. He had a hoodie or a hood over his head too. He fired approximately 30 rounds and throwing smoke bombs.

With more than 200 patrons inside, the bar was hosting a regularly scheduled College Country Night event and was particularly popular among students in the area, including Pepperdine University, California Lutheran University, California State University Channel Islands and Moorpark College.

Within minutes, police responded, and the gunman was found deceased. He is reported to be 28 years old, and has been identified as former Marine, who served in Afganistan, Ian David Long of Newberry Park, California. He was armed with a Glock.

This photo is being circulated on non-American sites as Ian David Long. I'm not sure it's a match.

Reportedly, Long used his mother's car to drive to the bar.

Eleven people in the bar were killed, and one police officer, a Ventura County sheriff's deputy Sgt Ron Helus, was also killed. The number thus totals 13, including the shooter.

Ron Helus

Helos (Ancient Greek: τὸ Ἕλος, meaning "marshland" or "swamp"), was a town of ancient Laconia, situated east of the mouth of the Eurotas, close to the sea, in a plain which, though marshy near the coast, is described by Polybius as the most fertile part of Laconia. Thanassis V. informs me that Helus is most probably from helos = swamp.

The event, a dance party involved local college crowds, and included informal gatherings of the survivors of the 10.1.2017 mass shooting at the Las Vegas Route 91 Harvest Festival concert.

Another Greek angle is that 27 year old Telemachus Orfanos (=orphan) is one of the California victims. He was wounded in the Las Vegas massacre last year but survived. Telemachus (literally "far-fighter") was the son of Odysseus and Penelope, and a central character in Homer's Odyssey. The first four books of the Odyssey focus on Telemachus's journeys in search of news about his father, who has yet to return home from the Trojan War, and are traditionally given the title the Telemachy. ~ Thanassis V.

The 13th Victim = Ian David Long, PSTD

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Borderline, PTSD, Incel

Various theories for why the Thousand Oaks shooting occurred came via social media within minutes of the news.

Ventura County Sheriff Geoff Dean identified the gunman as United States Marine Corps veteran Ian David Long, age 28, from Newbury Park. His gun was reportedly purchased legally. 

A neighbor of Long claimed that he suffered from posttraumatic stress disorder as a result of his time in the military, and that they had "no idea what he was doing with a gun." Some felt that he had "picked" the Borderline Bar and Grill because he suffered from Borderline Personality Disorder.

That night at the bar was "singles nights."

Long, before he graduated from high school, it was revealed after the shooting, allegedly assaulted his high school track coach.

Dominique Colell kept it quiet because the other coaches did not want her to ruin Long's chances in the Marines.

“He attacked me. He attacked his high school track coach,” said Colell. “Who does that?”
For the former Newbury Park High School track coach this day has been full of emotions — from sadness to guilt. Because she never filed charges against Long after she says he assaulted her his senior year.
Colell says it happened during practice when someone found a phone and she was trying to figure out who it belonged to.
“Ian came up and started screaming at me that was his phone,” said Colell. “He just started grabbing me. He groped my stomach. He groped my butt. I pushed him off me and said after that — ‘you’re off the team.’ ”
But Colell says she was encouraged by other coaches and the school to accept an apology to not ruin his future in the Marine Corps.
“I should have reported it then,” said Colell.
And although she never would have predicted this, Colell says she doesn’t believe this is just a case of PTSD. She says Long had issues long before he was ever a Marine. ~ CBS Los Angeles.

Long had been living with his mother at the time. He reportedly had anti-social behavior. 

Did Ian David Long think of himself as an incel?

Some syncs:

From Tree of Life shooting to Thousand Oaks. California shooting 83 days after Madonna's birthday. 1983's "Borderline"= 58, reduced. Madonna born in '58. ~ Ronald Christopher Walker.

[Borderline Bar and Grill, Thousand Oaks] near Los Robles golf course.
Robles= Spanish for "oaks." ~ Lou Robles.

See also 

Into The Valley of Virgin Violence: The Incel Effect

Route 91 

(Las Vegas Mass Shooting: October 1, 2017; 59 Dead)

Viva Las Vegan and 91

Pulse Shooting: June 12, 2016; 49 Dead